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Blackwater, Part 1: An Army For Hire?

This may seem to be a strange post for a blog dedicated to illegal aliens and immigration reform, but consider this: if the governments and corporations involved in the North American Union have to depend on the official armed forces of their country to protect them, they cannot order them to protect private property or patrol borders to control entry of illegal people with complete disregard to the laws of the country in which they operate.

Officially, Blackwater International is a company that provides training, equipment and personnel to anyone, be it government or corporation, that is officially sanctioned by the U.S. State Department anywhere in the world. If you take a close look at their history and current contracts you will notice that while they started out mainly providing training they have expanded into an army for hire for anyone that can afford their price. It should be noted that Blackwater is not the only company that is operating this way, just the one with the highest profile due to several questionable incidences that have occured in Iraq. For a list of companies involved see here: PMCs

During their time in Iraq they have proven that they believe that they are above all laws as they have been hired to perform a mission of protection. They will perform this mission no matter what and do whatever they think they need to do to satisfy this mission.

Many of the personnel that Blackwater International have under contract are highly professional individuals with the best training and backgrounds. They should be – they were trained by the U.S. government either in the armed forces of the United States or in other government law enforcement agencies. Too bad these personnel cannot control the other people working with them.

Because these people are exempted from prosecution in Iraq due to Paul Bremmers decree, nothing will happen to those responsible for actions such as this. They are also under the protection of the U.S. Embassy in Iraq.

There are not enough U.S. Armed Forces personnel to meet the deployment requirements to both Iraq and Afghanistan in addition to all of its other commitments around the world. Blackwater International has been used by the U.S. State Department and other U.S. Government agencies to supplement the U.S. Armed Forces present in Iraq and Afghanistan. What a great opportunity for Blackwater!

Blackwater boasts that they have 14,000 people that they can contact to create a “protection force” at a moment’s notice. Some of these people are not U.S. nationals but personnel that were trained for other counties under contracts with Blackwater. If this isn’t an army for hire I don’t know what is.

Blackwater also appears to watch for opportunities to insert itself into activities within the United States. After hurricane Katrina hit the gulf coast, Blackwater sent one of its helicopters into New Orleans on a “rescue mission” without invitation from the U.S. or local governments.

“According to Blackwater’s government contracts, obtained by The Nation, from September 8 to September 30, 2005, Blackwater was paid $409,000 for providing fourteen guards and four vehicles to “protect the temporary morgue in Baton Rouge, LA.” That contract kicked off a hurricane boon for Blackwater. From September to the end of December 2005, the government paid Blackwater at least $33.3 million–well surpassing the amount of Blackwater’s contract to guard Ambassador Paul Bremer when he was head of the US occupation of Iraq. And the company has likely raked in much more in the hurricane zone. Exactly how much is unclear, as attempts to get information on Blackwater’s current contracts in New Orleans have been unsuccessful.”

For a more complete story on Blackwaters activity in New Orleans see: The Nation: In the Black(water)

Unfortunately it appears that some of the Blackwater employees think that they can treat U.S. citizens the same way they have become acustom to treating the citizens they encounter in Iraq where they are not accountable to the local government: Blackwater Eyes Domestic Contracts in U.S.

It is said that because we cannot maintain a large standing military force with sufficient combat forces that we need to outsource certain activities to civilians. My question is, is it actually cheaper to have civilians performing these missions rather than recruiting and training militaty personnel who are accountable to the Code of Military Conduct? With Blackwater and other civilian personnel in Iraq earning up to $1000 a day, don’t you think this money would be better spent recruiting, training, and properly equiping additional personnel for the U.S. Armed Forces?


August 10, 2008 9:44 pm - Posted by | National Security | , ,


  1. Very informative thread that reinforces much of what I have been thinking about this organization. Blackwater, to me, provides mercenaries. We had these during the Vietnam conflict also. The mercenaries there were not accountable either. They did things that congress had not authorized. I am not sure which company provided their services during Vietnam.

    Bad will only strengthens an enemy’s resolve to fight and it doesn’t do much for the hearts and minds of those you are trying to win over either.

    I don’t think we are using blackwater because there aren’t enough troops. I believe we are using them to skirt around international and congressional issues.

    What really sickens me is, in many cases, our military has trained these Blackwater employees. They get their training in the military, do their stint, and then go work for someone paying them 2, 3 times as much money doing the same thing. I would prefer to spend the money on recruitment and making the military something of an enticement.

    Comment by Dolph | August 10, 2008 10:28 pm | Reply

  2. Dolph, you’re probably thinking of Air America, although Steve might be more familiar with it.

    Comment by AWCheney | August 10, 2008 10:45 pm | Reply

  3. Dolph, there is no doubt that many of the employees of Blackwater in Iraq should be classified as mercenaries, including those U.S. citizens that are part of their “protective security” forces but they also have many personnel in country that are not combat troops. You should also realize that a lot of their combat personnel are not U.S. citizens but are citizens of other countries that have been hired by Blackwater to supplement their U.S. employees. Many of these personnel actually come from other country’s military units that were trained under contract by Blackwater and other Private Military Companies.

    And yes, there were mercenaries in Vietnam, many, if not all of them in the employ of the CIA. I don’t know of any company that was not actually a CIA front that provided mercenaries for the Vietnam war.

    Having spent the last years of my military career watching civilians taking over tasks that should have been performed by military personnel I can state from experience that many of the functions that should be performed by U.S. military personnel are in fact now the responsibility of civilian contractors.

    I fully agree that contracting combat personnel (whether you call them mercenaries or protective security forces) without requiring them to obey the restrictions of the Code of Military Conduct or the laws of the country that has hired them or the country in which they are operating is a means of skirting any responsibility by the U.S. Government, but what do you expect when the people in charge have no regard for the law themselves?

    If I was a combat arms soldier and one of these companies came to me and offered the salary, arms, vehicles and personal armor that Blackwater provides, I wouldn’t hesitate, would you? The salary that they provide is up to ten times what you earn in the U.S. military as an enlisted person, the arms are sometimes better than anything that the army or marines can provide, the vehicles provide protection from IEDs better than the vehicles that most of the military rides around in and the personal armor is the best available.

    I’m hoping to cover most of these issues in more detail as I continue in my next post(s).

    Comment by scheney | August 11, 2008 1:45 am | Reply

  4. I wouldn’t hesitate either. However, companies make you sign a pledge of sorts, that can be legally binding in a court of law, that you won’t go work for the competition for x number of years. Perhaps that is something our military should consider doing.

    I find something so basically wrong with using Blackwater and like companies to provide ‘protective security forces.’I didn’t realize that the salaries were ten times higher. What does that do for our troops? It has to be real demoralizing. Same with having better equipment.

    I await the next installment. Great topic. I am sure you will uncover info I have even thought of. Actually I read an article a year or 2 into this war and came away fairly outraged over it.

    Comment by Dolph | August 11, 2008 12:04 pm | Reply

  5. Blackwater hires its personnel as independent contractors, Dolph, so they sign a contract. Odds are, it’s similar to what most independent contractors who work for government contractors sign. Being independent contractors, they can’t be denied employment, although they can be held to the terms of their contract which might include a term of employment.

    Even if they don’t believe in following the same rules as everybody else, I seriously doubt that they would want to badly antagonize their “contractors”…and have those guns turned around on them.

    Comment by AWCheney | August 11, 2008 1:27 pm | Reply

  6. I keep hearing bout Blackwater and have not yet pursued it to find what it is all about.

    I am starting with these questions:

    How does it tie into such things as The Patriot Act, Martial Law, The Merida Initiative aka Plan Mexico, and are they connected with the UN? Maybe the questions show that I do not know much about it 😦 Here is another, what ALLOWS for them to get away with this and not be subject to/ or considered a terrorist cell?

    Comment by Red Dawn | August 11, 2008 6:55 pm | Reply

  7. Where is Michael?

    “I fully agree that contracting combat personnel (whether you call them mercenaries or protective security forces) without requiring them to obey the restrictions of the Code of Military Conduct or the laws of the country that has hired them or the country in which they are operating is a means of skirting any responsibility by the U.S. Government, but what do you expect when the people in charge have no regard for the law themselves?”

    This IS exactly what I was trying to ask of him as far as ethics/morality and the questions of the Patriot Act and many more RECENT events that is chipping away at our Constitution. Who is accountable? Who provides the funds? The list goes on and on…I know Just research and I will find the answers ( trying to take a short cut:) )

    Comment by Red Dawn | August 11, 2008 7:08 pm | Reply

  8. Funny thing is, you BVBL people are laying the groundwork for groups like Blackwater to exercise martial law in our streets.

    The resolution in PWC moves ALL of us closer to a police state. Of course TODAY it only creates a police state for Latinos. So you guys think you don’t have to worry about your kids being humiliated and interrogated about the status of their parents.

    But TOMORROW it WILL be your kids being interrogated by mercs like Blackwater or other hired guns. You are doing it to yourselves.

    In the past, white conservatives wholeheartedly supported gun control for blacks. They said to themselves ‘Who cares about the dignity and the rights of blacks? We’re white so these laws will never affect us.’


    You’re giving up your rights for nothing. Once given up, they’re very hard to get back. If we can pass a law saying the police must check everyone’s status post arrest, it’s only a matter of time before they do it pre-arrest. Then their power will be extended to check more than just status. The fourth amendment has already been gutted with the FISA amendments act. The feds can break into your home, search all your things, copy your hard drives, and they don’t have to tell you for 7 days afterward. If they file an appeal within those 7 days, they can extend the time they don’t need to inform you by 60 more days.

    You guys are going to feed your own children into the machine…with your own hands.

    [Editor’s Note: The Truth, this is your second warning! This is NOT the BVBL blog, and you are unfairly attacking the commenters, as a group, rather than the issue. We deal in FACTS and intelligent discussion here, not in unsubstantiated allegations as you do. You are now in moderation and lucky that I’m not banning you, given that your second comment (comment 9) is irrelevant to the thread and totally inappropriate to the discussion. Take your bile back to AntiBVBL Mackie…it’s not wanted here!]

    Comment by The Truth | August 13, 2008 11:47 pm | Reply

  9. This is what [Deleted] types are doing. The cuts will heal someday but we’ll always carry the scars. We love our parents more than you know. From the first day of our lives, they wrapped us in their arms and never let us go. We grew in the light and warmth of their love, and now you make them crawl, run, and hide like animals.


    Estamos ligado por siempre.

    Nuestros corazones ligados por siempre con los corazones de nuestros padres. Ligados con cadenas de sangre y lagrimas.

    [Editor’s Note: Comment edited]

    Comment by The Truth | August 14, 2008 1:16 am | Reply

  10. Cheney,

    You are an enemy of free speech.

    Comment by Da Trute | August 14, 2008 4:04 pm | Reply

  11. Actually Mackie, aka Da Trute, aka The Truth, I happen to be a very strong proponent of free speech…within the rules of decorum, which have been clearly delineated and of which you are the only violator. I suggest that you learn from your mistakes like an adult and enter into the spirit of the discussions/debate as everyone else has been able to do quite well. I won’t tolerate your antics much longer.

    Comment by AWCheney | August 14, 2008 5:55 pm | Reply

  12. Two parts to this comment:

    The first for Mackie aka Da Trute, aka The Truth: Read the posts and talk about what is in them. This blog is meant to provide information and provoke discussion, not provoke for any reason and attack the people that post here. Make sure you know where you are posting as you are obviously confused as to where you are commenting: This is not BVBL or Anti-BVBL, if you want to rant against them please do so on their bolg, not ours. As noted, you are in moderation and will be banned shortly if you do not follow the rules of this blog.

    For everyone else, I am working on the next part of this series and will try to get it out soon.

    Comment by scheney | August 14, 2008 7:46 pm | Reply

  13. A very interesting post, Steve.

    I don’t know a lot about Blackwater. However, I would like to make just a couple points: First, there are folks who oppose our country’s actions in Iraq and would object to anything associated with America, including Blackwater, even if their actions were saintly. These are the ones who seeing pictures of American GIs befriending IraqThese are the “blame America first” folks.


    Comment by freedom | August 15, 2008 10:08 am | Reply

  14. sorry…somehow “got it sent” before it should have come out of the oven. 🙂 🙂

    …as I was saying, upon seeing pictures of the American GIs giving candy and comfort to the Iraqi children, claim that it’s “staged” or that the Americans are trying to blackmail the Iraqi children. These ARE the “Blame America First” crowd and I have no use for that view.

    Secondly, as a 37 year veteran of military and civilian intelligence, there are some things that the average American people just don’t need to know. We have congressional oversight whose job it is to ensure that American military and civilian actions are legal and proper. Perhaps it’s the congressional oversight committees and the professional politicians that require overhaul. Suppose?

    Comment by freedom | August 15, 2008 10:17 am | Reply

  15. Yes freedom there are things that the average American doesn’t need to know. As both of us are veterans in the intelligence field we both know that and we both know there are things that we can’t talk about. I’m very careful about that as you will notice as I continue with this series. Everything that I post is from open source.

    I agree that congressional oversight has been lacking in this case but I attribute that to the fact the the party in control of the house and senate at the time this all started didn’t WANT to control it and the party in control now doesn’t really know what to do with it as advanced as it is. I guess we’ll just have to wait and see what the next president does about it.

    Comment by scheney | August 15, 2008 4:09 pm | Reply

  16. OK, you guys may have to be careful because of your intelligence background, but I don’t…so here’s my take on this.

    I did the majority of the research on this piece and what I saw was another instance of further Executive Branch abrogation of our government’s checks and balances, which have served this country and its citizens so well. Congress has no oversight over the contracts with Blackwater, although they have stepped in with a Congressional investigation as a result of the killing of civilians in 2005, where even American military checkpoint guards were put at risk, but all that has been accomplished is to prove that Congress has no teeth in these situations.

    Blackwater is totally under the oversight of the State Department, where the Inspector General (responsible for internal investigations) is the brother of a board member of Blackwater. It’s not surprising that, despite the Congressional investigation and the total disregard for ANY rules (US, Iraqi, or International) which Blackwater has displayed in their activities in Iraq, which came out in the investigation, that their contracts have been renewed and expanded since then.

    Comment by AWCheney | August 15, 2008 4:31 pm | Reply

  17. Your blog is interesting!

    Keep up the good work!

    Comment by Alex | August 16, 2008 12:57 am | Reply

  18. [Edited] quite simply that abusive resolutions like the one we enacted in PWC move the whole country closer to a police state. Organizations like Blackwater and others make more money in a police state.

    Now we have martial law in Helena-West Helena. Maybe they will need extra security personnel. Maybe they’ll hire private security like Blackwater.

    In the same vein, we have the 287g program that is overwhelmed for lack of resources. How long before we start hiring private security to help out with deporting people? And thereby open the door for Blackwater on our streets?

    When that happens, the NAU will be just around the corner.

    SO I go back to my original question. Why is there support for the new resolution in PWC, if things like that will actually move us CLOSER to the NAU???

    [Editor’s Note: Mackie/The Truth, since your second warning, I have had to edit every one of your comments to some degree or the other, and actually delete two of them. You have posted under multiple pseudonyms, which I was going to let go for now because they at least resembled each other sufficiently to make it obvious to everyone who it is…besides, your behavior is so distinctive. I should be banning you altogether, and I will next time I have to delete another comment like this last one (I’m not this time because it was merely an attack against me rather than my readers, or other posters), but you ARE trying, at least to some degree…I suggest, however, that you try harder!]

    Comment by Da Trufe | August 17, 2008 11:32 am | Reply

  19. To respond to your comment, it’s quite a leap to assume that programs such as 287g and the Rule of Law Resolution is in any way related to Blackwater. Actually, if you’ve been following the FACTS which have been laid out in the previous posts and put them together logically, programs such as 287g, and other enforcement of immigration law, are actually antithesis to the concept of the NAU…which, if you were a paranoid conspiracy theorist, you might assume is why the Federal program (287g) is underfunded and the Federal laws ignored. Also, it does not require mercenaries to round up the illegal aliens…the police are doing just fine.

    Funding is needed to actually get them out of the country in an expeditious manner, much of which requires Bureaucrats. Blackwater does not supply Bureaucrats…the government has plenty already.

    Comment by AWCheney | August 17, 2008 1:55 pm | Reply

  20. Mackie, aka The Truth, aka Da Trufe, aka Da Trute has been banned. He has proven himself incapable of commentary without indulging in personal attacks and has stretched my patience quite to its limits. It was actually the author of this post (my technical expert and husband) who banned him and left his last comment to be deleted by me, which I did.

    My apologies to all who have been less than entertained by the prospect of a “flame war” breaking out around here. We take our rules seriously, and this is NOT that kind of blog.

    Comment by AWCheney | August 17, 2008 10:31 pm | Reply

  21. There is a common misconseption in that there is no guarantee to ” free speach” in the constitution. It says that government shall not abridge the right of speach. there is a difference.

    but then many think that our government should do what the ” will of the people ” want AKA lynch mob and for get that one person has the same rights and strengths as the other 300 million in America.

    Comment by Bob Wills | August 22, 2008 12:03 am | Reply

  22. Dear American people,
    I have just returned from IZ, Baghdad,IQ. I have recently retired from the Teams. We are held accountable to fight a conventional war…our enemy…is not. We had to adhere to certain rules of engagement…the enemy does not. PSD is absolutely essential. Mercs?? what is wrong with being compensated to accomplish a life threatening mission to ensure freedom? Get off the couch and go there and see for yourself…If you dare to…

    Mark CDR, USN (RET)

    Comment by Mark | October 13, 2008 8:27 pm | Reply

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