AWCheney’s Forum On Immigration

The “Attrition” Theory

It has been argued that the states and localities that are attempting to control an overwhelming illegal alien problem with enforcement of existing laws and establishment of new, more strict laws and regulations are deluding themselves that it will have any effect. Well, there seems to be some evidence to the contrary:

Since January 1, 2008, Arizona has seen that attrition in large numbers when a new law went into effect which “shuts down any businesses that repeatedly hire illegal immigrants.” I’ve long felt that, if the enablers could be shut down, there would no longer be any incentive for people to cross the border illegally…and it wouldn’t take much time before the word would spread and, perhaps, the problem become manageable with further influx reduced measurably. Along with the attrition, we might actually see the light at the end of the tunnel and be able to properly address immigration reform.


July 3, 2008 7:53 am - Posted by | Illegal Immigration | , ,


  1. Hi AWCheney!! I totally missed that you had created your site until I saw your link on the anti site. It looks great!

    I really do think that if we had a law like the one in Arizona it would deter companies from hiring illegal immigrants. If it gets harder and harder for them to find jobs they will self deport.

    Comment by hello | July 3, 2008 11:45 am | Reply

  2. Businesses have to suffer. CEO’s have to feel the pinch from their illegal hiring. Then they might be willing to pay a livable wage so that all American citizens can have a crack at a decent standard of living.

    Comment by Emma | July 3, 2008 9:16 pm | Reply

  3. I wholeheartedly agree with both of you. Unfortunately, since the very beginning of the Bush Administration, we’ve seen a policy that virtually amounts to a “Corporate Welfare State” where the biggest and richest companies and industries are bailed out whenever their greed gets them in over their heads, and ignoring this additional act of greed is very much a part of that. In no way, shape, or form is this an element of “free enterprise.”

    The economy, and greatest personal fortunes, of this country were built on the innovation and genius of small businessmen and women, many of whom started those fortunes in small sheds or garages at their homes…not by being bolstered by the American tax dollar. The idea of a Corporate Welfare State is neither a liberal nor a conservative issue, nor is it one of greed versus altruism…everyone aspires to success and wealth. This is purely an issue of ultimate power which crosses all political and geo-physical boundaries, and far too many of our politicians have become subservient to it.

    THAT is why so many stumbling blocks have been thrust before our state and local governing bodies in their attempts to address the illegal immigration issue through common sense solutions. There is not only no incentive…it’s actually perceived as a threat.

    Comment by AWCheney | July 3, 2008 10:05 pm | Reply

  4. And which presidential candidate will be the best at fixing the problem? I do not think that we will go much longer without immigration reform. The very people who are yelling that our current system isn’t broken cannot state one immigration law. Most Americans, myself included, no very little about immigration, visas, etc.

    Comment by Dolph | July 5, 2008 12:26 pm | Reply

  5. It’s pretty obvious that our system is broken, Dolph…why else would we be having this debate. As far as the presidential candidates are concerned, I don’t see any who want to do anything more than make the matter worse. You guys want to come with us to New Zealand? 😉

    Comment by AWCheney | July 5, 2008 5:29 pm | Reply

  6. Never before in history has the world seen the consequence of uncontroled “illegal” growth of the magnitude we have seen recently in as short a time as 10 years, nor the growth of corporations and “private equity” investment companies, large enough to take over governments politically.

    The global consequence of these “factions” has not yet been completely felt, but it usually leads to war if you look at mega-corporation take-overs of governments in the past, typically by “criminal” elements putting their own criminals into political office. Most of the past “crimes against humanity” of the past were caused by these criminal business-backed “corporate elites”

    Comment by michael | July 6, 2008 5:43 pm | Reply

  7. New Zealand is nice now, but in 10-15 years will see the same climate change to drought currently turning Australia to an un-inhabitable continent, and economic disaster due to crop failure, and coral reef failure (on the fishing industry). Better to move to Canada or England now while you still can, or Russia.

    Comment by michael | July 6, 2008 5:46 pm | Reply

  8. Attrition does work. I causes an initial economic downturn (such as what happened in Pittsburg when the steel industry was “attritted” on purpose, to see future growth later in other business sectors not relying entirely on “steel labor”.

    The ability to not rely on “agricultural labor” will benefit Arizona in the same way it benefited pittsburg and other refions, re-inventing themselves to remain globally competitive in high tech niche markets. The “low skilled labor based economy will only lead to increased poverty cycles in those indistries who try to retain it, just like the coal, auto, and steel industries relying on “labor” were unhealthy and collapsed. Arizona needs to re-invent itself into an intellectual growth zone with “energy sciences”

    Comment by michael | July 6, 2008 5:52 pm | Reply

  9. Sorry Michael…I don’t like their immigration laws. They’re too much like ours, and equally well-enforced.

    Comment by AWCheney | July 6, 2008 7:09 pm | Reply

  10. All anyone has to do is simply apply for “legal” entry into any country that has immigration law in place. All countries have immigration laws that stand up to world scrutiny and agreement from an international law perspective. All nations also recognize the Problems of “illegal” immigration. If you meet their legal requirements, you become a “legal” immigrant. It’s that simple, and that fair, and protects everyone the same. I have no issue with any nation’s immigration law, as it was designed by them to protect their citizens in their own best interest. To ignore or change that law so as to be “un-enforceable” is to hurt everyone the law was designed to protect from “un-reasonable” growth. Immigration law in all nations, even Myranmar’s difficult VISA approval process (you can get it approved) is designed to protect that nation and its existing citizens from “unreasonable” growth. Every nation has a basic right to determine what is “unreasonable” and can regulate such without causing international human rights violations. The international community recognizes and agrees to this “growth” regulation right.

    Comment by michael | July 6, 2008 10:01 pm | Reply

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